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Traveller-digest     Tuesday, November 2 1999     Volume 1999 : Number 1295<BR>
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The following topics are covered in this digest:<BR>
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Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
Re Aslan<BR>
Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
Re: Paying for health care<BR>
Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
RE: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
RE: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
Re: Playing with Uzis...<BR>
Law on Contact w/ Extraterrestrials (contradicts TML, sort of)<BR>
Re: Where the heck is Scangen?<BR>
Re: Playing with Uzis...<BR>
Re: [way OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
Re: Test <BR>
Re: The Alderson Drive -<BR>
Re: Paying for health care<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:53:51 +0000<BR>
From: Timothy.Collinson@solent.ac.uk<BR>
Subject: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
<BR>
Robert Prior wrote:<BR>
>The Ontario government has come up with a new grading system for school<BR>
>students. It is roughly as follows:<BR>
<BR>
>level 4 - exceeds expectations (>90%)<BR>
>level 3 - meets expectation (75-90%)<BR>
>level 2 - meets many expectation, but not all (60-75%)<BR>
>level 1 - meets bare minimum of expectations (50-60%)<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
I'm a bit mystified by this.<BR>
<BR>
Surely the 'expectations' are what you expect (i.e. what you are assuming<BR>
they'll be able to achieve rather than some future event you're looking<BR>
forward to).<BR>
<BR>
In that case, how can they meet a 'bare minimum' of expectations?  If<BR>
they've met the minimum, haven't they 'met expectations'?  (If only just).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
My apologies if this is a stupid question.  I must be good at them.  I just<BR>
had my 15 seconds of fame last Thursday when I appeared (very briefly) on<BR>
the BBC's _Question Time_.  They had just spent 10 minutes debating the<BR>
issue of our House of Lords being radically changed.<BR>
<BR>
One lot were arguing that it should be appointed (by the House of Commons -<BR>
the 'main' half of the UK parliament); the other lot were arguing that it<BR>
should be by election.  (Some were arguing for a bit of both).<BR>
<BR>
Right at the end of this segment before the 'referee' David Dimbleby moved<BR>
onto another topic entirely, I couldn't resist putting my hand up.  Maybe<BR>
I've been too long on the Traveller Mailing List but I thought there were<BR>
other options.  I asked why no one seemed to be considering competition<BR>
(e.g. a group of sportsmen selected by athleticism; exams for academics; a<BR>
group of clergy....) or by lottery?  I've never heard the media or anyone<BR>
put forward anything like this, so what am I missing?  Why is this not<BR>
being considered?  Is it somehow a 'stupid' idea?<BR>
<BR>
The 'referee' evidently thought very little of my question as he kind of<BR>
dismissed it with the comment: "or elections".<BR>
<BR>
Is it just a failure to think 'outside the box' or am I thinking of weird<BR>
Traveller possibilities and failing to see that in RL this isn't feasible?<BR>
(I wasn't suggesting I had a fully worked out solution, just querying why<BR>
no one even brings it up.)<BR>
<BR>
Just curious (and a little embarrassed).<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Back to Rob's email:<BR>
>Professional note: if we use your idea, I'll make certain that you get<BR>
>co-author status on our report.<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
If TML get going on this - is it going to look like one of those things<BR>
written by 100 people or more?!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
tc<BR>
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Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 01:24:49 -0900<BR>
From: "William F. Hostman" <aramis@gci.net><BR>
Subject: Re Aslan<BR>
<BR>
>7. Aslan. Ok, here I have difficulties understanding cannon. First off,<BR>
>we are suppose to<BR>
>have more female Aslan than males. Then, those males that are not first<BR>
>born run off and<BR>
>become Ihatei, "driving their ships to new lands"(Zepplin Rocks!). Does<BR>
>this not cause a<BR>
>big depopulation problem? The only fix I can think of is that there must<BR>
>be an awful lot<BR>
>of Aslan.<BR>
<BR>
No, since, for the most part, only first sons will be breeders anyway...<BR>
And remember, Aslan are Polygamous, not polyandrous (Multiple wives, fine,<BR>
Multiple Husbands, no)... so those with the land get to breed, as they can<BR>
afford to support a wife. At least pre-space. Then, consider that the birth<BR>
rate is supposedly something like 5:2 Female to Male, and typical<BR>
landowners will begat 1-3 children on each of 1-4 wives, and you have a<BR>
sudden population problem.<BR>
<BR>
Also, since Male Aslan Ego is tied to land, the non-heirs (due to<BR>
primogeniture, hehehehe) need land. In order to get useful land, you have<BR>
to leave the hierate. In order to properly support wives, you have to have<BR>
land.<BR>
<BR>
>Now then, there is the Treaty of Ftahir. Canon says (correctly) that it<BR>
>would be very<BR>
>dishonorable for the Aslan to break the treaty. Ok. When the Rebellion<BR>
>occurs, it is now<BR>
>honorable to break the treaty because of the death of ONE (quantity 1)<BR>
>Aslan? What did<BR>
>they do before the Rebellion, when I am very sure allot more Aslan died<BR>
>from all manner<BR>
>of bad events in the 3I?<BR>
<BR>
The aslan shot was a Clan Ambassadore, the (in the aslan view) literal<BR>
Honor-Bearer for the whole of his clan. Killing him was, to the aslan mind,<BR>
the same as attacking the whole clan, not just the Aslan. Additionally,<BR>
said attack was without honor, and there also was no clear emperor to<BR>
appeal to for redress.<BR>
<BR>
Aslan view lords AS the government to a certain extent, according to a<BR>
variety of sources... hence, no Emperor, No Imperium. No Imperium, No<BR>
Treaty of Ftahir.<BR>
<BR>
Thus, you have an entire clan's honor slighted, no means of redress without<BR>
conflict, and a logical assumption that the "Lord" of the treaty has no<BR>
heir, and thus the body he was lord of ceases to be a body...<BR>
<BR>
As for the others, they didn't carry the Title of Ambassador for a Clan,<BR>
get mowed down without challenge, and then be quietly ignored (I've not<BR>
seen any reference to Dulinor sending an apology to the Ambassador's Clan<BR>
in the cannon); Until a Clear Emperor exists to mediate, Dulinor makes<BR>
reparitions or dies, or someone else negotiates a new treaty, that entire<BR>
clan has it in for Dulinor.<BR>
<BR>
Think (based upon the early Contact! article in JTAS) of Aslan Honor much<BR>
like Feudal Japanese Honor, as portrayed in literature...<BR>
	Insult the man, he seeks revenge.<BR>
	Insult the family, The who Family seeks revenge<BR>
	Insult the Daimyo, and flee his wrath.<BR>
	Insult the Emperor, Prepare for war.<BR>
	Insult a man's representative, and you have insulted<BR>
		the man himself as well.<BR>
<BR>
William F. Hostman  |  "Smith & Wesson: THe original Point and Click<BR>
interface!"<BR>
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533<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 03:13:42<BR>
From: "Douglas E. Berry" <gridlore@pop.mindspring.com><BR>
Subject: Re: A Day of Peace<BR>
<BR>
At 02:12 PM 11/1/1999 -0800, Craig wrote:<BR>
<BR>
>Or for a cheesier but also interesting take, the original Trek episode<BR>
>featuring "the Red Hour" (shame on me, can't remember the title...god, I'm<BR>
>slipping already). <BR>
<BR>
"Return of the Archons"<BR>
<BR>
Doug.  Your brother.  The kid who kept breaking things.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 11:34:48 +0000<BR>
From: "Greg Aldridge" <Greg.Aldridge@marconicomms.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Paying for health care<BR>
<BR>
> We have various levels of medical cover.<BR>
><BR>
> "Gold Card" level means the medics will come in with their own fire team and<BR>
> extract you from a hot zone in order to fix you up. But it's expensive !<BR>
><BR>
> Silver means they'll come and get you as long as it's not too dangerous, i.e<BR>
> there isn't a firefight going on.<BR>
><BR>
> Standard means you have to get to them.<BR>
><BR>
> Economy means not only do you have to get to them, but they'll only look at<BR>
> you if they've get nothing else to do.<BR>
><BR>
> Frankie<BR>
<BR>
Been reading Cyberpunk/Shadowrun have you?  They both have similar styles<BR>
of 'Health Insurance'.<BR>
<BR>
Greg.<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 12:15:06 +0000<BR>
From: Phil Kitching <postmark.design@btinternet.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
<BR>
Timothy.Collinson@solent.ac.uk asked the following "stupid question (tm)":<BR>
<BR>
>...I asked why no one seemed to be considering competition<BR>
>(e.g. a group of sportsmen selected by athleticism; exams for academics; a<BR>
>group of clergy....) or by lottery?  I've never heard the media or anyone<BR>
>put forward anything like this, so what am I missing?  Why is this not<BR>
>being considered?  Is it somehow a 'stupid' idea?<BR>
<BR>
Isn't that how part of the Russian parliment is selected?<BR>
<BR>
At least from the point of view of being representatives of interest groups,<BR>
I'd assume that (eg) the farmer's representative was a farmer involved in<BR>
politics and selected by some sort of election amongst farmers rather than<BR>
just being the most successful farmer (however you define that).<BR>
<BR>
The real reason that its a "stupid question (tm)" that no one should be<BR>
allowed to<BR>
ask is because if you take your system and allow politians to vet the list<BR>
and add<BR>
their friends, what you have is the current system of selecting the upper<BR>
house<BR>
in the UK.<BR>
<BR>
The top judges, clerics, industrialists, civil servants, politicians,<BR>
actors, unionists, etc are given life peerages.<BR>
<BR>
Too many politicians, perhaps...<BR>
<BR>
* There are of course no stupid questions, you just asked about the emperor's<BR>
  new clothes.<BR>
Phil Kitching<BR>
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  http://www.btinternet.com/~salvo/<BR>
  Postmark Design Bureau, Emerging Technologies Division.<BR>
 "Microwaving half-baked ideas from across the Galaxy"<BR>
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Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:05:37 -0500<BR>
From: Ethan Henry <egh@klg.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Violent Outlet (Was Re: A Day of Peace)<BR>
<BR>
Robert Prior <robert_prior@sympatico.ca> wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> >Many believe that humans have an intrinsic need for an outlet for violent<BR>
> >emotions.  By releasing such emotions through violent but non-destructive<BR>
> >ways may it may be possible reduce the actual destructive violence.<BR>
> <BR>
> What seems to happen, according to Watson (in "Dark Nature"), is that the<BR>
> folks who's team/boxer/whatever won go home happy, and the losers go home<BR>
> and pick fights. (Note: this is a statistical thing, like hot weather, and<BR>
> applies to groups not individuals). Vicariously winning seems to remove the<BR>
> need to win in a conflict, vicariously losing leaves all the original<BR>
> aggression entact.<BR>
<BR>
I read an article several months ago in that bastion of high-class <BR>
journalism, 'The National Post' (that's sarcasm for you non-Canadians<BR>
or for you Canadians who have the good sense to avoid the Post).<BR>
<BR>
It seems that there is a correlation in New York City between <BR>
crackdowns on strip clubs and the direction of 'the market'<BR>
e.g. the Dow Jones Industrial Average. Apparently brokers who do <BR>
poorly get some sort of 'return to the alpha male state' by <BR>
watching strippers so that they an head back and try again <BR>
the next day as opposed to becoming increasing depressed beta<BR>
males and sucking the whole market down with them.<BR>
<BR>
The article explained it about a million times better than I just did.<BR>
<BR>
Anyway, a lot of interesting correlations between two pretty <BR>
isolated behaviours have been proposed over the years. Causation<BR>
is somewhat more nebulous in most cases.<BR>
<BR>
- --<BR>
Ethan Henry                                        egh@klg.com<BR>
Java Evangelist, KL Group                   http://www.klg.com<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:08:05 -0500<BR>
From: Walter Smith <SmithW@HARTWICK.EDU><BR>
Subject: RE: UFO contact illegal?<BR>
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I recall tracking down a federal law a few years ago in response to<BR>
a similar UFO conspiracy claim, though I don't have the exact citation <BR>
anymore. IIRC, the law makes it a felony to enter or interfere with a<BR>
spacecraft. While technically this would make climbing aboard that Vilani <BR>
scout ship illegal, the rest of the law makes it pretty clear that it is NASA <BR>
spacecraft they are talking about - the rest of the law talks about the <BR>
illegality of trespassing on NASA facilities and other government launch <BR>
sites.<BR>
<BR>
Walt Smith<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 14:14:36 -0000 <BR>
From: "Trevor, Peter" <Peter.Trevor@exchange.rb.cwplc.com><BR>
Subject: RE: Stupid questions [was: Re: OT: Mathematical help needed]<BR>
<BR>
Timothy Collinson wrote:<BR>
> They had just spent 10 minutes debating the issue of our House<BR>
> of Lords being radically changed.<BR>
<BR>
<OT rant><BR>
Officially, the House of Lords needs to be reformed because it is<BR>
undemocratic.  The fact that it seems to  work  better  than  the<BR>
House of Commons  is  irrelevant.  Unofficially,  the  reform  is<BR>
because the House of Lords doesn't always agree with the House of<BR>
Commons ... which  I  always  thought  was  the  reason  for  its<BR>
existance.  Given Tony Blair's track record he'll put  forward  a<BR>
system of 'democratic' elections with candidates short listed  by<BR>
the House of Commons ... which, since he dominates it at present,<BR>
will result in a rubber-stamping institution.<BR>
</OT rant><BR>
<BR>
> Right at the end of this segment before the 'referee' David<BR>
> Dimbleby moved onto another topic entirely, I couldn't resist<BR>
> putting my hand up.  Maybe I've been too long on the Traveller<BR>
> Mailing List but I thought there were other options.  I asked<BR>
> why no one seemed to be considering competition (e.g. a group<BR>
> of sportsmen selected by athleticism; exams for academics; a<BR>
> group of clergy....) or by lottery?  I've never heard the media<BR>
> or anyone put forward anything like this, so what am I missing?<BR>
> Why is this not being considered?  Is it somehow a 'stupid'<BR>
> idea?<BR>
<BR>
Ah, my old favorite: the Feudal Technocracy (sort of).<BR>
<BR>
The reason its a 'stupid' idea is that modern  politics  consists<BR>
of giving us variations on a theme  and  calling  them  "choice".<BR>
Alternative ideas are not welcome.  IMO this is  the  reason  why<BR>
many people don't vote ... but it is called "voter apathy".<BR>
<BR>
Metaphor: A vegitarian goes to a restaurant.  The main  corse  is<BR>
beef or pork.  The vegitarian diner  declines  the  main  course.<BR>
The restaurant staff conclude the diner wasn't very hungry.  Doh!<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
Regards PLST<BR>
"If the ship is sinking - maybe the rats have a point."<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 10:14:53 EST<BR>
From: Tascelt@aol.com<BR>
Subject: Re: Playing with Uzis...<BR>
<BR>
In a message dated 10/31/99 12:26:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
Sethkimmel@aol.com writes:<BR>
<BR>
<< <BR>
 Hey; don't joke like that. The BATF could be reading this, and I'm sure <BR>
Jesse <BR>
 doesn't need them knocking on his door....:-)<BR>
  >><BR>
<BR>
Sorry I'm not going to curtail my sense of humor due to fear of the <BR>
government.  I doubt Jesse would want that either (let me know bro).  <BR>
Besides, I practically am one of those goons ;-)<BR>
<BR>
TAS<BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:40:42 -0600<BR>
From: Loren Wiseman <lkw@io.com><BR>
Subject: Law on Contact w/ Extraterrestrials (contradicts TML, sort of)<BR>
<BR>
>Date: Mon, 1 Nov 1999 20:20:11 -0500 (EST)<BR>
>From: "Joseph M. Saul" <jmsaul@deathstar.org><BR>
>To: lkw@io.com<BR>
>Subject: Law on Contact w/ Extraterrestrials (contradicts TML, sort of)<BR>
>MIME-Version: 1.0<BR>
><BR>
><BR>
>Hi -- I can't post reliably to the TML, so please pass this on for me, as<BR>
>well as passing it on to Steve Jackson (who I'm reluctant to email out of<BR>
>the blue since he probably gets all kinds of garbage from rabid fans).<BR>
><BR>
>A couple inaccuracies, or at least misleading implications:  First, the<BR>
>citation in the article is a perfectly clear citation to the Code of<BR>
>Federal Regulations, and one which can easily be checked if you know the<BR>
>standard notation and have access to a copy of the CFR.<BR>
><BR>
>Second, the article's suggestion that the material cited is somehow buried<BR>
>in an obscure location is no more true than for any other Federal<BR>
>regulation; the claimed cite places it a bit more than a third of the way<BR>
>into the regulations governing NASA, which is a reasonable place for it to<BR>
>be. Granted, the CFR is huge, but people generally know the parts they<BR>
>need to.  Why is it in Title 14?  Because that's where all the aeronautics<BR>
>and space stuff is (the criminal code is Title 18).  Heck, NASA's<BR>
>nondiscrimination provisions -- which the Feds would want everyone to hear<BR>
>about -- are at Sections 1250-1252.  The NASA Seal is described in 1221.<BR>
>The author didn't know jack about how Federal regulations are catalogued,<BR>
>is all.<BR>
><BR>
>Finally, the regulation as quoted would, by the normal legal rules of<BR>
>interpretation, be seen as applying *only* to NASA missions.  The fact<BR>
>that the word "only" is not used in the statute does not provide the<BR>
>"loophole" the article editors claim.  There's a legal maxim that<BR>
>enumerating specific cases excludes cases not enumerated.  A statute<BR>
>requiring that all dogs be leashed could not, for example, be extended to<BR>
>cats or parrots by the argument that it didn't say "only dogs;" had the<BR>
>drafters wanted to extend it further, they could have done so explicitly.<BR>
>(And we won't even get into the question of whether NASA would even have<BR>
>had the authority to apply it anywhere else; scope of administrative<BR>
>agency powers is an arcane field.)  Why am I bothering to discuss this?<BR>
>Read on...<BR>
><BR>
>It is true that the statute referenced in the article does not currently<BR>
>exist; Title 14 (Aeronautics and Space) goes from Section 1210<BR>
>(Development work for industry in NASA wind tunnels) to Section 1212<BR>
>(Privacy Act - NASA regulations), leaving Sec. 1211 labeled as "Reserved".<BR>
><BR>
>I dug a little farther, though.  The LEXIS-NEXIS service makes archive<BR>
>copies of the CFR available back to 1981.  In the 1981 version, Section<BR>
>1211 *does* exist, and is substantially as reported, with the heading<BR>
>"Extraterrestrial Exposure."  (I've attached a text copy of the actual<BR>
>statute to this email.  TMLers who want one can email me directly.)  Its<BR>
>purpose appears to be to allow NASA to quarantine personnel who come into<BR>
>contact with extraterrestrial material -- remember that at the time of the<BR>
>early moon missions, there was concern that astronauts might come into<BR>
>contact with diseases against which our population would be defenseless.<BR>
>The provisions last appear in 1991, and are absent from 1992 onwards.<BR>
><BR>
>So... the law did exist, but it doesn't now, and it was never quite as<BR>
>far-reaching or secret as the author of the article would have us believe.<BR>
>That's the way conspiracy theories usually are, in my experience. But<BR>
>where did it go, and why?  Now, that's the question...<BR>
><BR>
>Joe Saul (Michigan Law School '99, NASA Space Life Sciences Training<BR>
>          Program '86, Traveller player since '78)<BR>
>jmsaul@deathstar.org<BR>
><BR>
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Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 09:04:02 -0600 (CST)<BR>
From: Steven Bonneville <bonnevil@ima.umn.edu><BR>
Subject: Re: Where the heck is Scangen?<BR>
<BR>
William Prankard <cmdrx@magicnet.net> wrote:<BR>
<BR>
> David Summers wrote:<BR>
><BR>
> > Can anyone tell me what hex Scangen is in?  (In the Gvurdon Sector)  I have<BR>
> > the GDW Alien module and I'm running the Traveller Adventure and I was<BR>
> > going to point it out to my players, but if it says exactly where it is,<BR>
> > I can't find it.<BR>
><BR>
> According to my Gal2.4 Gvurrdon data, "Classic Era"(c. 1100):<BR>
><BR>
> Scangen       2937 B88557A-C    Ni As              224 Vk<BR>
> <BR>
> Subsector P-Firgr  and Vk is Commonality of Kedzudh<BR>
<BR>
I think that was an arbitrary, non-canon placement by Roger Myhre for his<BR>
Gvurrdon work for HIWG.  I've never been convinced by it.<BR>
<BR>
The Traveller Adventure says (p. 77): "...Scangen, a planet in the Vargr<BR>
Extents just across the frontier."  For the Bannerji/Sternmetal scam to<BR>
be worthwhile, then they'll want to pick a Vargr world as close to the <BR>
border as possible as the supposed source of the Lewis lanthanum they're<BR>
passing as Vargr ore.  Bannerji has to be kept idle on Aramanx until his <BR>
ship has burned the time it takes to reach Scangen and return to Junidy;<BR>
the longer he has to hide, the longer he has to stay idle, and the less<BR>
money they can make on the scam.<BR>
<BR>
If he were going to Scangen, Bannerji would leave the Imperium by way of<BR>
Jesedipere (the itinerary in his wallet in the Leedor episode says so, <BR>
and shows every other world on his route).  His ship, _Wolblutn_, is a<BR>
jump-2 far trader.  If he has to appear to reach 2937, he either has to<BR>
waste cargo space on fuel tankage and make a deep space connection, or<BR>
take something like an eight jump detour to get there.  I think 2937 is <BR>
too deep in the Extents; it wastes too much time.<BR>
<BR>
There's two candidate worlds within jump-2 of Jesedipere that could be<BR>
Scangen; 2840 and 2940.  Both have under 1000 inhabitants; 2840 is a <BR>
lawless company rockball with a class-D starport at tech-6, and 2940 is<BR>
a balkanized garden world with a class-B starport at tech-8.<BR>
<BR>
I vaguely remember that _Merchant Prince_ might have a reference to a<BR>
company based out of Scangen.  Otherwise, take your pick.  2840 would<BR>
make a mining hellhole.  2940 could be a trading center built around a<BR>
lanthanum rush, with competing Vargr mining operations controlling bits<BR>
of the world, while the environmentalists scream at them to protect the<BR>
local ecosystem....  There might also be other references to Scangen in<BR>
backstory related to Oberlindes Lines and the _Emissary_ -- I think the<BR>
_Emissary_ might be based out of Scangen.  If so, I'd lean toward the<BR>
better starport (2940).<BR>
<BR>
  -- Steve Bonneville<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 07:55:02 -0800<BR>
From: Jesse DeGraff <jdegraff@pacbell.net><BR>
Subject: Re: Playing with Uzis...<BR>
<BR>
Besides, BATF is probably too SCARED to knock on my door....<BR>
<BR>
:D<BR>
<BR>
Jesse<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
- -----Original Message-----<BR>
From: Tascelt@aol.com <Tascelt@aol.com><BR>
To: traveller@lists.imagiconline.com <traveller@lists.imagiconline.com><BR>
Date: Tuesday, November 02, 1999 7:48 AM<BR>
Subject: Re: Playing with Uzis...<BR>
<BR>
<BR>
>In a message dated 10/31/99 12:26:47 PM Pacific Standard Time, <BR>
>Sethkimmel@aol.com writes:<BR>
><BR>
><< <BR>
> Hey; don't joke like that. The BATF could be reading this, and I'm sure <BR>
>Jesse <BR>
> doesn't need them knocking on his door....:-)<BR>
>  >><BR>
><BR>
>Sorry I'm not going to curtail my sense of humor due to fear of the <BR>
>government.  I doubt Jesse would want that either (let me know bro).  <BR>
>Besides, I practically am one of those goons ;-)<BR>
><BR>
>TAS<BR>
><BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 09:29:34 -0500<BR>
From: "David J. Golden" <goldendj@pcisys.net><BR>
Subject: Re: [way OT] One Day In Peace<BR>
<BR>
At 09:55 PM 11/1/99 -0700, you wrote:<BR>
>>And zey zuspect not'ing....<BR>
><BR>
>Bwa-ha-ha-ha and all that. Look at the facts:<BR>
>- Captain of the USS Enterprise (the original), the best captain in<BR>
>Star Fleet: played by William Shatner, a Canadian.<BR>
<BR>
	Pah! Everybody knows Spock and McCoy carried him. Shatner's picture<BR>
is in the dictionary under "can't act"<BR>
<BR>
>- Dashing and handsome hot-shot attorney and ex-pilot for the US<BR>
Navy<BR>
>in the TV series JAG: played by David James Eliot, a Canadian.<BR>
<BR>
	(Yawn) It's his costar, the incredibly amazing Catherine Bell I lust<BR>
after ...<BR>
<BR>
>- Veteran comic actor Leslie Nielsen, a Canadian; his brother Eric<BR>
used<BR>
>to be a Member of (the Canadian) Parliament.<BR>
<BR>
	But it was his costar O.J. who gathered the most world-wide<BR>
attention.<BR>
<BR>
>- Oscar-winning film director Norman Jewison: a Canadian.<BR>
<BR>
	Who?<BR>
<BR>
>- Guy Lombardo, perennial New Years Eve host, even after his death:<BR>
a<BR>
>Canadian.<BR>
<BR>
	Who?<BR>
<BR>
>- Alex Trebek, whose game-show screens American contestants for<BR>
their<BR>
>intelligence: a Canadian. (That one is almost sinister when you<BR>
think<BR>
>about it...)<BR>
<BR>
	My grandmother loves that show ... it's too easy for me.<BR>
<BR>
(All in good fun, of course ... nothing but respect for our frozen<BR>
friends up North).<BR>
<BR>
- -- The enumeration in the Constitution, of certain rights,<BR>
   shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained<BR>
   by the people.<BR>
   -- Amendment IX, US Constitution<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 02 Nov 1999 11:04:00 -0500<BR>
From: "Keven R. Pittsinger" <jamstar@accesstoledo.com><BR>
Subject: Re: Test <BR>
<BR>
> Test<BR>
> <BR>
> My e-mail account with @home some how got dumped and I've been told it<BR>
> should work now.<BR>
<BR>
You get my latest email to you?  It didn't bounce back...<BR>
<BR>
Keven<BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
tc++ tm+ tn t4- to ru++ ge+ 3i c+ jt au st- ls pi+ ta+ he+ so- vi zh sy<BR>
- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>
                                                     Science-Fiction Adventure<BR>
                                                     In Reavers' Deep<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:17:55 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: The Alderson Drive -<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>> > to emerge from the continuum universe you must exit with<BR>
>> > precisely the same  potential energy (measured in terms<BR>
>> > of the fifth force,  not gravity) as you<BR>
>> > entered. You must also have zero kinetic energy relative<BR>
>> > to a complex set of coordinates that we won't discuss<BR>
>> > here. [note, I'm not sure if this is just<BR>
>> > a handwave to avoid relativity, or if they really did<BR>
>> > come up with some set of coordinates - frankie]<BR>
>><BR>
>> Knowing Pournelle, they did.<BR>
><BR>
> The thing that makes me suspect this is that it seems to imply  a privileged<BR>
> reference frame, which at the time they wrote this was not considered<BR>
> particularly acceptable physics..<BR>
<BR>
Well, when you get right down to it, you *have* to have a "preferred<BR>
frame" if you want FTL *unless* like like messy stuff like time travel.<BR>
The equations just don't let you have FTL *and* relativity *and* strict<BR>
"local casuality". So you need to break relativity. And a preferred<BR>
frame is one that does minimal damage if you do it "right". <BR>
<BR>
> While I suspect that what they may have meant is zero kinetic enrrgy<BR>
> relative to some axes that map the two Alderson points at each end of the<BR>
> jump, I _think_ this this still implies a privileged reference frame, as I<BR>
> _think_ it implies that if you can have zero kinetic energy relative to both<BR>
> of these two points then somehow these two points must also have zero<BR>
> kinetic energy relative to each other, and how can a "point" in space (as<BR>
> opposed to a particle) actually have kinetic energy ?<BR>
<BR>
Sure. "Zero kinetic energy" is a fancy way of saying "at rest". So they<BR>
just can't be *moving* relative to each other in the fancu co-ordinate<BR>
system. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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<BR>
Date: Tue, 2 Nov 1999 07:10:54 PST<BR>
From: shadow@krypton.rain.com (Leonard Erickson)<BR>
Subject: Re: Paying for health care<BR>
<BR>
In mail you write:<BR>
<BR>
>> We have various levels of medical cover.<BR>
>><BR>
>> "Gold Card" level means the medics will come in with their own fire<BR>
>> team and extract you from a hot zone in order to fix you up. But<BR>
>> it's expensive !<BR>
<BR>
>> Silver means they'll come and get you as long as it's not too<BR>
>> dangerous, i.e there isn't a firefight going on.<BR>
<BR>
>> Standard means you have to get to them.<BR>
>><BR>
>> Economy means not only do you have to get to them, but they'll only<BR>
>> look at you if they've get nothing else to do.<BR>
<BR>
> Been reading Cyberpunk/Shadowrun have you?  They both have similar<BR>
> styles of 'Health Insurance'.<BR>
<BR>
I'm not familar with those games. It reminds *me* of Car Wars and their<BR>
"Gold Cross" insurance. Of course, they've got cloning tech and memory<BR>
backups. <BR>
<BR>
- -- <BR>
Leonard Erickson (aka Shadow)<BR>
 shadow@krypton.rain.com        <--preferred<BR>
leonard@qiclab.scn.rain.com     <--last resort<BR>
<BR>
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